I've got a promblem. I've been using the 'swap-disc' technique since yesterday and I think I've got it down. But it seems that I've been making a lot of coasters seeing as a good few games I've burned don't work, despite the cue sheets I generated. Am I missing something (possibly a custom pregap point)? I have Dragon Force, Dracula X and Sega Touring Car Championship burned, but they all hang on the black 'SEGA' screen. Any ideas?
Saturn swap-disc hangups...
- Thread starter Rynex
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There are two possibilities that come to mind for me:
1) You're doing a single-swap, and the TOC differences are killing it. Do a double swap.
2) You're doing the original->CD-R swap during/after the bootstrap code read, and the games that work have the same bootloader as the one you're swapping with (this isn't particularly likely, but it's not so far-fetched). The original->CD-R swap should be done just after the laser starts moving back from the outer ring. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, listen to an original boot up. There are two long (3/4ths of a second or so) laser moves roughly 3-5 seconds apart - the first is when the laser moves out to check the security ring, and the second is when it is finished and goes back to boot the game.
1) You're doing a single-swap, and the TOC differences are killing it. Do a double swap.
2) You're doing the original->CD-R swap during/after the bootstrap code read, and the games that work have the same bootloader as the one you're swapping with (this isn't particularly likely, but it's not so far-fetched). The original->CD-R swap should be done just after the laser starts moving back from the outer ring. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, listen to an original boot up. There are two long (3/4ths of a second or so) laser moves roughly 3-5 seconds apart - the first is when the laser moves out to check the security ring, and the second is when it is finished and goes back to boot the game.
1) I have been doing the double-swap, actually and...
2) I've been pretty mindful of this, so I don't particularly think it's my timing (although I could be wrong...)
I've been doing it like this: CD-R->(while laser is moving to bootsector)original->(just before the laser gets back to the center of the disc)CD-R
Here are my cue sheets (if it makes any difference):
FILE "DraculaX.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "track2.wav" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
------------------------------
FILE "dforce.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "Track_2.wav" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
------------------------------
FILE "STCC T01 Mode1 2048.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "STCC T02 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T03 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T04 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T05 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T06 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T07 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T08 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T09 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T10 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T11 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T12 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T13 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T14 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T15 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T16 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T17 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T18 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T19 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
2) I've been pretty mindful of this, so I don't particularly think it's my timing (although I could be wrong...)
I've been doing it like this: CD-R->(while laser is moving to bootsector)original->(just before the laser gets back to the center of the disc)CD-R
Here are my cue sheets (if it makes any difference):
FILE "DraculaX.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "track2.wav" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
------------------------------
FILE "dforce.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "Track_2.wav" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
------------------------------
FILE "STCC T01 Mode1 2048.iso" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE "STCC T02 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 02 AUDIO
PREGAP 00:02:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T03 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T04 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T05 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T06 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T07 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T08 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T09 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T10 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T11 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T12 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T13 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T14 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T15 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T16 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T17 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T18 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "STCC T19 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
I may be misinterpreting this, but that sounds like it might be slightly late. Some Saturn models are pickier than others about the timing. If it was a lot of work to get the timing right, you might want to try spinning the disc up manually when you swap the CD-R back in...
Humm....
1- Power ON your saturn with the cdr inside..
2- When the cdr completely stops already on cdplayer, swap for the original.
3- Press RESET, let saturn read the security ring from the original, then swap for the copy.. just like double-swap's 2nd swap.
I think this method doesn't require a so strict timing on the last swap.
1- Power ON your saturn with the cdr inside..
2- When the cdr completely stops already on cdplayer, swap for the original.
3- Press RESET, let saturn read the security ring from the original, then swap for the copy.. just like double-swap's 2nd swap.
I think this method doesn't require a so strict timing on the last swap.
Scared0o0Rabbit
Established Member
Nevermind
this works on both models... I usually recommend this for model2's... I've used that when I swapped on my m2.
There are more than two models, and some of them are a huge pain in the ass to swap on. A friend of mine has such a beast, and it took him the better part of an evening to even get a single success. He has the timing down now though...
And yes, it does require that the disc be spun up manually to stay in the timing window. It's all in the wrist.
yes I know that, those later saturns with sanyo cdboards are a pain.... even considering only those, I think there are differences.. I've got some friends with sanyo cdboard saturns and they can swap... I have one of those and i've tried for ages and I just can't get a game to boot... as soon as I lift a cd, it falls to the cdplayer in less than 1/2sec 
Nice to hear that
Rynex is having probs though...
Rynex is having probs though...
indeed
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