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Arakon

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yeah, it's an (illegal) game.. many of those are actually just hacked/modified original games, i.e. replaced graphics etc.
 
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I bet you they either:

1. Hacked a rom of the game boy color version and slapped it onto a genesis cart

or

2. Hacked a different disney game fo genesis (eg. toy story or mickey mouse castle of illusion)

Anyway, the ELSPA crime unit knows best
 

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i am really beginning to hate this guy, Have you actually read that website and know how utterly full of shite it is? I hate to tell this to you but neither brazil or the USA are in europe einstein! Not only this but you post it in at least 3 different threads as though you are trying to drop a hint! Sega know what goes on here, they just dont give a flying feck because they wont make any money from megadrive and saturn games anyway cos they are too old

On a second note has anyone been able to get hold of any of these brazilian carts for dumping?

 

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This guy is getting really annoying!


I know everyone's entitled to an opinion but COME ON!!! This is ridiculous! it's in like every other thread!! ???

???
 

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next!

I have recently dumped a Nobunaga III bootleg and a 3 in 1 that were both not recognized by goodgen yet.

the 3in1 doesn't work in emus, tho, since the cart uses banking HW.
 

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Give Superyoshi some credit, though - that ELSPA site is the funniest thing I've seen in ages.


Who profits from piracy? Paedophiles and terrorists, apparently.

Mike
 

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Originally posted by Mike G@June 04 2002,22:55

Give Superyoshi some credit, though - that ELSPA site is the funniest thing I've seen in ages.


Who profits from piracy? Paedophiles and terrorists, apparently.

Mike
Don't forget bum pirates too
 

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What a dork!

The brazillian sega games ARE official. Tec Toy is a licensed Sega partner. Their main role is to translate manuals and distribute sega games and consoles in Brazil.

But sometimes they did some dev work, like translating games to portuguese, converting GG games to SMS, and making those "hacked" games, changing the graphics/text. But all these were fully licensed.

Or do you think ordinary piraters would make SMS Street Fighter II, the first 8MB SMS cart?

BTW, that aforementioned game is an unnoficial hack, and prolly sucks, like most do. The label (see those chinese writing at the bottom right?) says it all.

Oh, that ESLPA site is hilarious. I didn't knew that downloading and burning games for myself would make me a rapist, pedophile AND get me interested in drugs.

Publishers and developers make mere pennies per sale of an original game.
Oh yeah, really. Poor publishers... they get no money whatsoever, heh?

Also, I din't know that copying a game I would never be able to buy (because I'm forced to import them from somewhere) would make them lose 40 bucks.
 

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I did a search on this guy. You're right, he has posted that ELSPA thing before. He also said somewhere that "Emulation is BAD! Nintendo doesn't like it." And in another one he said something like, "Piracy is evil." or something like that.

Um... why the hell would someone that's like that sign up here on SX? I mean... We pirate (or "backup") Sega CD and Saturn, but Sega doesn't mind. Sega is WELL AWARE of SX's existence. They love having people be interested in their old consoles. We talk about emulation and stuff, cause a lot of people don't OWN SCDs, so they have to resort to Emus. But not just that, but we also talk about Emulation in general at times. Then he says the whole Nintendo doesn't like emulation. WELL NO SHIT!! LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ALREADY! Thanks for stating the bloody obvious!

In short: He's a moron.

Now, if you excuse me, I'm off to play some 32x.
 

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hmm. the elspa link apears to be dead, how unfortunant

now if all those 4 member anti-hentai groups would dispaear in a similiar fashion i might actually hev the desire to leave my house again

so, theoretically speaking, if i bought a copy of the sega smash pack for the dreamcast, doesthat intitle me to having a copy of the phantasy star 2 rom on my h.d.d.?
 
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Here is what the ELSPA think:

"To some the reasons why piracy is wrong are obvious, but to others, especially consumers, they aren't. This page is here to make you aware of some of the issues.

Piracy is a criminal offence, which thus makes it an immoral business to be in. Piracy leads always to arrests, community service, hefty fines and prison sentences. Some people think that the rewards are worth the risks, others are already involved in other criminal activities, or already have criminal records and therefore don't feel too threatened by the penalties. So why then, do otherwise law-abiding citizens choose to line these people's pockets and put themselves and their children at risk?

Its because people fail to realise that there ARE risks involved. It's not just copying software that is against the law, owning copied software also constitutes a criminal offence; so anyone buying from these people is also at risk of arrest and prosecution. You may think that saying "piracy harms children" is unfounded, but it really is true. Many pirate compilation discs, mainly for the PC, also contain explicit pornographic material. Not just 'glamour' pictures, but anything and everything including paedophilia and rape.

Which leads to the next important issue that consumers may not be aware of. Out of all the raids the ELSPA Crime Unit have carried out against offenders this year, over 80% of offenders were involved in other criminal activity; from petty crime to drugs trafficking, money laundering, pornography rings and terrorism. Money raised from the sales of illegal software are more often than not invested into the furtherance of these secondary, and more sinister businesses. The guy that did you a 'favour' by saving a few quid on a game today could tomorrow be selling heroin to your son or daughter.

So the next time you're at a car boot sale, or flicking through the free ads and you fancy getting a copy of the latest game for a fiver, think of where the money is likely to be going, and ask yourself whether that's the type of thing you condone, or wish to actively support.

There are some pirates who justify their activities by saying "£40.00 for an original title is an absolute rip-off... why pay £40.00 when you can pay a fiver? By buying from me, you help stop the fat-cats lining their pockets."

And its very tempting to think "well, I'm saving £35.00 here... I'm sure one copy won't make much difference to a publisher"... if everyone shared that philosophy (and unfortunately, there's too many people who already do), then the publisher ends up with nothing. In the short-term, you may save £35.00, but you're spoiling your long-term enjoyment. The less revenue that goes back to a publisher, the less money it has to invest into the development of new titles, and therefore new titles will be, and are, of a poorer quality than they could be.

The industry in the UK in total turned over just under £1 billion pounds last year. You may think that's a lot of money... not compared to the amount that was lost. It is estimated that the industry lost in excess of £3 billion pounds to the pirates last year. If you use illegal software, then you contributed towards that three billion… large sums of that money could have quite easily (and probably has) been invested in the IRA, the Maffia, Triad gangs, money laundering rackets, prostitution rings… how do you feel about that?

The simple fact about piracy is that it is illegal and punishable by fines and jail sentences. No matter which way you look at counterfeiting it is nothing more than theft. Counterfeiters are only out for one thing, money - and because of this consumers who buy counterfeit games have no recourse under law for faulty goods.

By knowingly purchasing a counterfeit computer game you are:

Supporting an illegal industry

Giving criminals money to invest in other criminal activities

Putting at risk the livelihoods of everyone involved in the legitimate leisure software industry

Running the risk of children having access to unsuitable material

Depriving the Government of revenue gained from legal sales, that could be reinvested into other areas such as healthcare and education"
 

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You're so naive it's ridiculous.. The governments of the world would more likely spend it on war than healthcare. Ando some of the other points.. You may as well say something like, 'If you buy a pirated game, then you are helping a rapist' for all the sense it makes. I doubt people who sell pirated software are blackened criminals as you suggest, if they were they wouldn't bother with something as small fry as selling games at a car-boot sale.

Anyway, what is your point here? No-one sells pirated stuff here, we share what is no longer freely available. And I for one, buy games that I have downloaded if I ever see them for sale anywhere.

You're really gonna make no friends with this preachy attitude.
 

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yoshi: well, since you bothered to post the text of the page here, I'll bother deconstructing the ELSPA's BS here.

Piracy is a criminal offence, which thus makes it an immoral business to be in.
This is a non sequitur. An act being illegal does not imply that it is necessarily immoral.

Piracy leads always to arrests, community service, hefty fines and prison sentences.
No it doesn't. That's why people are still doing it. This is a cheap, paper-thin scare tactic.

The guy that did you a 'favour' by saving a few quid on a game today could tomorrow be selling heroin to your son or daughter.
Or he could be saving someone else a "few" (yeah, 30+ is a "few") quid. And if my (hypothetical) son or daughter wants to buy heroin, then I've got bigger things to worry about than where I buy my video games.

So the next time you're at a car boot sale, or flicking through the free ads and you fancy getting a copy of the latest game for a fiver, think of where the money is likely to be going, and ask yourself whether that's the type of thing you condone, or wish to actively support.
Well, it could be going to support harming others, which I don't condone. It could also be going to buy food or get a car fixed up, which I do condone. Of course, I'm presumably committing a thoughtcrime by even considering that the evil software pirates are humans and have needs too.

Publishers and developers make mere pennies per sale of an original game.
This is absolutely ridiculous. If it were true, nobody would be in the software business - it would just be too risky.

Original titles are so expensive due to the enormous costs of game development. A pirate doesn't have to shell out over a million pounds to make the game in the first-place
Neither do most publishers - this is taking an extreme example and generalizing. Gee, they seem to be good at that, don't they? They sure get a lot of practice, at least...

It is estimated that the industry lost in excess of £3 billion pounds to the pirates last year.
I'll just let Richard Stallman answer this one, since he did it so well:

Owners say that they suffer ``harm'' or ``economic loss'' when users copy programs themselves. But the copying has no direct effect on the owner, and it harms no one. The owner can lose only if the person who made the copy would otherwise have paid for one from the owner.

A little thought shows that most such people would not have bought copies. Yet the owners compute their ``losses'' as if each and every one would have bought a copy. That is exaggeration---to put it kindly.
The simple fact about piracy is that it is illegal and punishable by fines and jail sentences.
As it turns out, this is the only simple fact about unauthorized software distribution. Anyone who tells you it's a simple matter overall is probably either a genius or a liar.

No matter which way you look at counterfeiting it is nothing more than theft
Unless, of course, you actually examine the effects and come to the conclusion that unauthorized software distribution is distinct from theft because it does not deprive the original owner of any property.
 

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Hehe, I love the way you tear those posts apart ExCyber. I'm far too lazy to do it that way..
 
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Originally posted by ExCyber@June 09 2002,10:41

No it doesn't. That's why people are still doing it. This is a cheap, paper-thin scare tactic.
Erm.... think again. Here is a real news bulletin from april 22nd this year:

CAR BOOT RAID NETS ALMOST £60K OF COUNTERFEIT

The UK’s computer games’ industry body ELSPA, are praising Staffordshire County Council Trading Standards Department and Staffordshire Police for their continued efforts and determination to eradicate the illegal sale of counterfeits in the region.

The accolade follows visits by the enforcement authorities in March and April, to Shareshill, Cannock, Sunday car boot sales, where officers have removed from circulation to the general public 1,915 counterfeit cartridges.

The cartridges, all for genesis/megadrive format, which have a total estimated retail value of almost £60,000.00p were seized.

Forensic examinations are now being carried out by Officers from ELSPA’s Anti-Piracy Unit who will confirm the authenticity of the software. Should the suspicions of the Officers be confirmed, five traders from the West Midlands area may be subject to criminal charges for TradeMark offences.

John Hillier, Manager of ELSPA’s Anti-Piracy Unit said:

“ELSPA wishes to thank the Officers involved in this investigation who have effectively removed counterfeit product from the marketplace. This should send out a clear message to all those people who may be tempted to become involved in the illegal manufacture or sales of this type of product.”

ELSPA is the computer games industry watchdog which represents the interests of games publishers. They have a dedicated Anti-Piracy Unit which is made up of investigators across the country.

According to ELSPA, the UK video games industry loses £3 billion every year to piracy. In 80% of the raids carried out by ELSPA, there is evidence of other criminal activity operating alongside piracy including drug trafficking, pornography and even terrorism.
 
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