Hot Coffee Mod

Hmm, so some creative hackers found a sex mini-game in GTA San Andreas. Now the whole country is up in arms about a hack of a video game... In the latest Penny Arcade article, Tycho argues that the code is in their, so to some degree it is Rockstar's fault for all of this. But this whole "uncovering" is a bit puerile, don't you think? It's like when a little kid is able to descramble the porn channels on their cable set.

I think of at least three other "famous uncoverings" in videogames: The first being some programmers finding the words "KILL BITCH" in Duke Nukem 3D code. Though this was minor in comparison to the actual game content, people were up in arms about this regardless.

The next would be the infamous "Two men in speedos holding hands" controversy in Simcopter. The programmer, who was gay, was fired from the project and sought his revenge by adding these two gentleman into the game. Of course, this would be something more for religious conservatives than the current attackers, but valid nonetheless I suppose.

The last one belongs to the PSX version of Tiger Woods. Why? Because some genius put the first episode of "South Park" on the CD for all to see if inserted into a normal computer.

To be honest, I'm more surprised at how audacious these attackers are. Didn't we argue over this same topics when movie production began? Are people more angry about the fact that kids are engaging in interactive entertainment rather than going outside? Would they prefer that they just sit and watch the idiot box, never thinking, never reacting?

If anything, this all comes down to a matter of taste. To be honest, while I liked the first GTAIII and Vice City, I grew tired of its puerile humor and I also felt that the cities in each game felt fake, like Potemkin villages. Surprisingly, though, I am finding SA to be much more well thought out, the story and dialog to be actually fairly well written (without be parodic), and the city (at least the first one, I am not very far in the game) to be quite believable. For the first time, I actually want to participate in the story, rather than just go on a killing spree (which I think is a great improvement). I've only jacked one car in the game, but that was because I thought I needed a car, and.. (ok, bad excuse...). I've felt no need to be a real gangsta in the game. I give kudos to Rockstar North for that.

If people want to see games mature in content, they have to be willing to mature themselves and demand more sophisticated wares. The average gamer is now around 27, many years older than most of us at SX. I hope to god that in those twenty seven years, they've read classical literature, watched interesting films, and generally grew in taste and culture. While it's interesting to see the mechanics for dispensing violence become more sophisticated and complex, it would also be nice if stories and presentation developed.
 
It's just another excuse for the government to regulate something.. like they have nothing better to do. I mean, who cares about the deficit! We got 2 anotomically 3d models having sex with each other!

The game is rated Mature(17+)... Meaning anyone under the age of 17 should not be buying/playing it, anyone over the age of 18 can buy porn, and anyone over the age of 13 can watch Leo Dicaprio(sp?) draw a sketch of a naked women. Joe Lieberman and the rest of the hawks in D.C. need to get off their high horse and actually do something about real problems that affect real people instead of bitching about some computer generated sex scene in a mature rated game.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Moustache@Wed, 2005-07-20 @ 06:22 PM

It's just another excuse for the government to regulate something.. like they have nothing better to do. I mean, who cares about the deficit! We got 2 anotomically 3d models having sex with each other!

The game is rated Mature(17+)... Meaning anyone under the age of 17 should not be buying/playing it, anyone over the age of 18 can buy porn, and anyone over the age of 13 can watch Leo Dicaprio(sp?) draw a sketch of a naked women. Joe Lieberman and the rest of the hawks in D.C. need to get off their high horse and actually do something about real problems that affect real people instead of bitching about some computer generated sex scene in a mature rated game.

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Some would say that the legal age to buy porn in many states is 21. No one really cares what goes into these games, the beltway drama about it is just a theatre show designed to attract more constituents. What's sad and disturbing is that people actually participate in it....
 
I've been reading about this for almost a week I think its been now, and must say that I think the whole thing is totally ridiculous. What's interesting is how only Rockstar North is ever scrutinized for this kind of thing. Where were these people when God of War came out?

Lets say Little Johnny gets a hold of an action replay and enters codes on his PS2 for an hour, or he has the PC version and navigates his web browser to a site with the Hot Coffee mod and installs it; he probably knows how to go to porn sites and download the trailers. Why would politicians attack a sex minigame that shows no genitalia when there are so much easier ways to get real porn? Probably because they are petty, weak individuals with no real ideas or platforms to run on, so they take advantage of the United States' Puritanical values and attack a videogame that isn't meant for kids in the first place.
 
It's official. The game has been recertified AO. From what I can see, almost everyone has pulled it. I couldn't find an online copy anywhere. Rockstar said they will send labels to any retailor who wishes to continue stocking. And they are working on a new version, minus the porn.
 
Though I believe that it is the parent's job, not the game industry, to police what thier kids do and do not play, I have no sympathy for Rockstar on the basis of how they handled the matter.

First they denied the content existed at all. Then they said it did exist, but was not developed by them (rather the modder injected it all into the game). And finally, they admitted that it was created in-house, but that it would be corrected. Just plain stupid. Though there still would of been controversy over the issue, it would of not of been nearly as prolonged if they had just cut to the chase, admitted that it was thier creation and said that they would take actions necessary to remedy the situaion. This is Responsible Buisness 101.

Now all they'll get for it is increased scrutiny for all thier future titles and credit for helping undermine the industry in general, in the face of increased support for government intervention in the regulation of graphic game content.

NOTE: I agree with the Penny Arcade all the way on the point that the ESRB really should put the AO rating more to work. If a title is meant for adults (either by violence, nudity or both), rate it as that. They do nothing for thier credibility when they allow GTA to enter the market with an M rating in spite of it's incredibility violent nature, only to add the AO rating later because 'there was a flash of sex'.
 
Well, EBGames.com is still stocking it, AO rating or no. And while I agree that perhaps the AO rating should be put to more use, and maybe GTA:SA should have had that rating in the first place, it's completely ludicrous to increase the rating because of something that's not even accessible without hacking it. I'm sure I could hack the textures on some game to make a character look nude, without even adding any new textures.
 
Well, EBGames.com is still stocking it, AO rating or no. And while I agree that perhaps the AO rating should be put to more use, and maybe GTA:SA should have had that rating in the first place, it's completely ludicrous to increase the rating because of something that's not even accessible without hacking it.

I don't think the ESRB changed the rating due to new content but rather they did it to save face for the industry. Likely nobody outside of the developers could of known the content was there, but the ESRB hopes to show that they are serious about the issue. Not doing anything would of had far worse consequences than admitting that there needed to be corrections.

Right now, the critics are no longer feeding simply on the content of the mod and GTA. It's the lack of oversight thier digging into. The ESRB is hardly impartial, and are likely pressured frequently to produce an 'desirable' rating by companies like Take-2. Up against a wall, they have to show they will slap a mainstream game with the toughest rating. That's why it happened.
 
Why don't they just say it for what it is? They wrote the code, then they removed that part from the game. The oversight was that the code for the actual sequences was left in, but there was no way to access it without illegally modifying the game's source code and playing an illegal copy on a system illegaly modified with a mod-chip.

Okay, mod-chips are legal in amongst themselves, and making an UNMODIFIED backup of a game you own is arguably legal. But by altering the code and burning a copy, you have made your copy illegal.

As for gameshark / ARP codes, I hadn't heard anything before about being able to use them to access the scenes that way. But again, it was argued in the first gameshark lawsuit that the device illegaly modifies the code of the game.
 
I was just at The Exchange (my fave music/movie/game trade shop). My fiance asked if they had or were taking any GTA:SA's. Manager said, sure, they'll take them, but they aren't selling them in the store right now... They're getting way more money for them on eBay than they could get in the store.

And again, since the legality of doing the mod is questionable, this should all be a NON-ISSUE!!! Argh.

Not to mention the fact that the game had a M rating to begin with!!! RATED M FOR MATURE, 17+. The sex sequences are easily PG-13 material in themselves, unlike some of the content in the M rated "The Guy Game," "The Playboy Mansion," or "Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude." Why isn't anyone bothering to point out that the game was CLEARLY LABELED that it was NOT for ANYONE under the age of 17? It's just like R rated movies. Crack down on retailers that sell M rated games to kids, don't attack the publishers who make the M rated games. All attacking the publishers acomplishes is an increased demand for the unrated material.

If Rockstar and Take Two are smart, all the original versions that get sent back to them from retailers, they should sell over their website themselves. Then when they send out the "cleaned code" versions to retailers, right on the back put the words "EDITED VERSION: CONTENT REMOVED FOR RATING." Put that in a nice, large print. Then right below it, in a slightly smaller print, but still obvious, "ORIGINAL VERSION AVALIABLE AT WWW.ROCKSTARGAMES.COM" or whatever the address is.
 
Those prices are simply out of line with the market and will drop very fast. There is around 5+ million copies of GTA:SA (with the sexual content included) that have been sold or are in circulation right now. These copies are no rarity, and after everything has settled, people will realize that.
 
As we are on the Rating and Regulation topic... Why is it that PBS doesn't have to follow these laws when other free to air stations do? I.E. there are plenty of scenes of boobs and other sexual content you can find on that station, such as in old Monty Python skits. I have also hear curse words among risky topics (rape...) spoken on PBS.
 
While I can't say for PBS in general, what programming I've watched on there is usualy clean. It is the local cable access channels that aren't regulated here. Seriously, if you were willing to pay the fee ($15 for each 1/2 hour) you could even show your home-made porn tapes. There's recently been a ruckus about someone doing that.

But as for the old Monty Python's Flying Circus... You know, they can show all the "boobs" they want there... ALL the actors were men. There's nothing sexy about man-boobs.
 
Originally posted by VertigoXX@Mon, 2005-07-25 @ 12:51 PM

But as for the old Monty Python's Flying Circus... You know, they can show all the "boobs" they want there... ALL the actors were men. There's nothing sexy about man-boobs.

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No, they did have guest female actors from time to time, but other than in the animated sections I can't recall any nudity. :huh
 
And can recall quite a bit of nudity...

Such as this scen where its a news broadcaster and hes going through news bits with that little picture window in the upper right. And randomly thrown into the mesh of vid clips in that window is a close up of bouncing boobs.
 
I think there used to be some strong censorship on TV within Australia with things like nudity. I never realised there was nudity in The Goodies until I saw it on DVD. These days of course it is everywhere.
 
The problem with The Goodies would have been that the show wasn't made for kids, yet was screened in the afternoon/early evening in Australia as if it was.
 
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