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What did I do?
If it's about the questions, sorry to bombard you with so much. I just want to know. I have some knowledge of VB, a tiny bit of Pascal. I want to know if I can just continue with those (Gotta LONG way to go though, before I can even remotely think about Sega programming), or if I have to learn more stuff (I plan to learn C after Pascal).
(Edited by Cloud121 at 6:47 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
If it's about the questions, sorry to bombard you with so much. I just want to know. I have some knowledge of VB, a tiny bit of Pascal. I want to know if I can just continue with those (Gotta LONG way to go though, before I can even remotely think about Sega programming), or if I have to learn more stuff (I plan to learn C after Pascal).
(Edited by Cloud121 at 6:47 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
Given a reasonably powerful system, the hardware doesn't care what lanugage you're writing in. You could program Saturn with Brainfuck or INTERCAL, *if* someone were to write the appropriate compilers/interpreters (and if you were sufficiently intelligent and/or masochistic). In terms of tools that exist right now, I'm only aware of assemblers, and compilers for C and C++. There's also a BASIC interpreter or compiler, but I've never actually seen it. It might be possible to use GCC to compile Fortran, Objective C, and maybe Java, but that would probably take a substantial amount of work to get running.
edit: as for the others, C is the best bet for Dreamcast, and assembly language for everything else. There's a C compiler for Genesis, but I've never tried it.
(Edited by ExCyber at 10:15 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
(Edited by ExCyber at 10:16 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
edit: as for the others, C is the best bet for Dreamcast, and assembly language for everything else. There's a C compiler for Genesis, but I've never tried it.
(Edited by ExCyber at 10:15 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
(Edited by ExCyber at 10:16 pm on Jan. 19, 2002)
The BASIC that the interpreter program for Saturn uses is actually quite simmilar to INTERCAL 
My God. "Turing-complete." But the real question is: why?
If you're interested in programming the SMS in C, you could use the Small Device C Compiler, but you'll have to cobble together your own libraries, functions, and startup code. It generates pretty decent code (I'm no judge, I don't really know Z80 too well) and lets you embed assembly if you need to. Maybe I could do a machine port for SMS... that would be cool. Oh well, I'll never get around to it.
(Edited by RadSil at 6:07 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)
So... What you guys are basically saying... is that I can make games in Pascal or anything else? #### YEAH!!! It'd probably be easier to do it in C though (although I gotta learn Pascal first, or else C is gonna be tougher than #### to learn (or so my good friend Pedro says, Programmer Extraordinaire in Pascal, C, and Java )) is C more universal than Pascal? Or can I use Pascal is program ANYTHING?
(Edited by Cloud121 at 9:03 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)
)) is C more universal than Pascal? Or can I use Pascal is program ANYTHING?(Edited by Cloud121 at 9:03 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)
Why don't you ask Pedro?Quote: from Cloud121 on 2:02 pm on Jan. 23, 2002
...(although I gotta learn Pascal first, or else C is gonna be tougher than #### to learn (or so my good friend Pedro says, Programmer Extraordinaire in Pascal, C, and Java
I think you misread something.
As far as I know, there are no SuperH-targeted Pascal compilers. Unless you can find (or write) one, you'll have nothing to compile your Saturn programs with.
As for a "universal" language in terms of existing support, C is the closest thing you're going to get, but it's not available for 100% of systems either.
edit: By the way, C itself is not really that complex. However, learning Pascal might be worth the effort anyway for other reasons.
(Edited by ExCyber at 9:02 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)
As far as I know, there are no SuperH-targeted Pascal compilers. Unless you can find (or write) one, you'll have nothing to compile your Saturn programs with.
As for a "universal" language in terms of existing support, C is the closest thing you're going to get, but it's not available for 100% of systems either.
edit: By the way, C itself is not really that complex. However, learning Pascal might be worth the effort anyway for other reasons.
(Edited by ExCyber at 9:02 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)
SkankinMonkey
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You are an idiot.
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What you need is GCC configured as a SH cross-compiler (ie. a compiler that runs on your Mac and produces SH code). However, unless you're running OSX I don't think you can really run GCC as it doesn't support older Macs. I briefly browsed the web and could only find an ancient port of GCC 1.3something which probably won't do you much good.
If you have a beefy machine you could always try running one of them DOS/Windows emulators and run Sega's compiler under that. But really, Macs aren't your ideal coding platform. (And even if you did get a compiler running, how are you going to test the code? By burning a CD each time? The Commlink is an ISA card and AFAIK there's no Mac alternative.)
If you have a beefy machine you could always try running one of them DOS/Windows emulators and run Sega's compiler under that. But really, Macs aren't your ideal coding platform. (And even if you did get a compiler running, how are you going to test the code? By burning a CD each time? The Commlink is an ISA card and AFAIK there's no Mac alternative.)
C is probably your best bet when it comes to finding a compiler. It's a very common language.
A lot of the best games are written in Assembly language which is pretty machine specific, but at the same time, very powerful if you know how to use it.
I wish you the best -- but don't waste your time looking for Pascal compilers
A lot of the best games are written in Assembly language which is pretty machine specific, but at the same time, very powerful if you know how to use it.
I wish you the best -- but don't waste your time looking for Pascal compilers
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You might be able to use old Mac compilers for the Megadrive and MegaCD, since they're all using CPUs from Motorola's M86k family. You'd have to be able to use your own link scripts and startup code, since a Mac is quite different from a MD.
The 32X uses the same model SH2 CPUs as the Saturn, so you'll have to use GCC for that. I honestly think you'll be better off by abandoning the idea of using a Mac for coding for anything else than Macs. All of the old code tools are for either DOS or Windows meaning you'll have to make replacement tools as well. So unless you're using OSX, I suggest you forget about it.
The 32X uses the same model SH2 CPUs as the Saturn, so you'll have to use GCC for that. I honestly think you'll be better off by abandoning the idea of using a Mac for coding for anything else than Macs. All of the old code tools are for either DOS or Windows meaning you'll have to make replacement tools as well. So unless you're using OSX, I suggest you forget about it.
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For the SMS, sure. From what I've heard the currently available C compilers that target the Z80 aren't so good. But for the Megadrive using a HLL makes more sense than forcing yourself to use assembly out of principle.
If you've properly optimized your program, profiled it and identified the trouble spots then by all means convert them to assembly, but trying to get a faster program by reimplementing bad C code in equally bad assembly isn't going to do you much good.
If you've properly optimized your program, profiled it and identified the trouble spots then by all means convert them to assembly, but trying to get a faster program by reimplementing bad C code in equally bad assembly isn't going to do you much good.
This is true, but C doesn't offer a huge advantage on platforms like SMS and MD unless you're trying to write portable code (which opens up a whole other can of worms). Since the hardware handles the details of pixel blasting and sound, the benefits of using prewritten libraries are kind of diminished - no matter what you do, you still need to deal with that hardware's programming model to get anything useful out of the system. That's why I recommend assembly language for MD and SMS, not for performance.