Originally posted by E Nice@Wed, 2004-11-03 @ 07:42 PM
Like firefighters and policemen are any different than soldiers when in the line of duty? How many of them would like to die inside a burning building or in some shootout with criminals but have to get in such situations because it's their job and have no choice in the matter?
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Originally posted by it290@Wed, 2004-11-03 @ 07:46 PM
I'd like to know what the 'strong moral value' is in forcing one's own values upon others. And where is the morality in pushing for an exclusionary amendment to the Constutution, when our country is supposedly founded upon the concept of equality?
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Originally posted by mal+Wed, 2004-11-03 @ 08:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mal @ Wed, 2004-11-03 @ 08:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Heh, this is the discussion we should have had prior to the election. 🙄
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Anyone else feel like George Bush used religion to get reelected? Somehow convinced a good number of people that he's a "good, moral Christian."
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Originally posted by Quadriflax@Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 03:07 PM
Oh, it wouldn't have done any good.
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In short, this isn't a religious issue, it's a civil rights issue. Remember when whites and blacks couldn't marry?
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Originally posted by mal+Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 12:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mal @ Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 12:27 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>And this is?[post=122737]Quoted post[/post]
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I believe were about to enter a period of time in which our system of checks and balances will be strenuously tested. I hope the outcome is good.
edit: No, Jesus was black, but keep it under your hat. 😀
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The gay marriage issue was mainly brought up because the large insurance companies that make large contributions to the Republican party didn't want to have to extend benefits to same-sex partners.
This *SHOULD* have been brought up by the Democrats!!!
healthcare needs to be socialized? thats ridiculous.
Originally posted by VertigoXX+Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 11:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VertigoXX @ Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 11:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>The gay marriage issue was mainly brought up because the large insurance companies that make large contributions to the Republican party didn't want to have to extend benefits to same-sex partners.[/b]
Kerry's biggest problem was that he wouldn't just come right out and say what he believed on certain topics.
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He wasn't flip-flopping. He was just skirting the issues. Problem was, they were issues that people care about. Iraq and terrorism weren't the be-all-end-all issues of the campaign like the Democratic party thought they'd be.
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We are on the verge of another civil rights movement breaking into the mainstream of society.
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I take it, then, you have faith in the Government to not bring ruin to everything it touches? There are problems, but do you think you've found the end-all fix? Maybe there are other things that need to be addressed first, like medical malpractice, length that companies have exclusive rights to a drug, etc? Have you noticed how prescription drugs are often cheaper to obtain for many people than their OTC competitors? Like Claritin, for example.Originally posted by ExCyber@Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 11:50 AM
I take it, then, that you don't have health insurance and pay the market rate for all procedures, examinations, and drugs that you require?
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I take it, then, you have faith in the Government to not bring ruin to everything it touches?
Maybe there are other things that need to be addressed first, like medical malpractice
length that companies have exclusive rights to a drug
Also, here's one to rock your world: Generic prescription drugs in the USA often cost less than either generic or name-brand drugs from Canada.
You need to know the source of the problems before you hand it over to the Government to fix, damnit.
Originally posted by Supergrom@Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 12:16 PM
healthcare needs to be socialized? thats ridiculous. sure canadas free healthcare for everyone works great... until you get real sick. then where do they go? USA, that's where.
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Yeah well unfortunetely, a lot of people think re-importation is the holy grail. As I've already explained, it won't even help for generic drugs.Originally posted by ExCyber+Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 01:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ExCyber @ Thu, 2004-11-04 @ 01:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Personally, I'm not big on re-importing drugs from Canada; I think if we want lower prices we should take measures here instead of relying on a foreign government for political convenience.[/b]
But if we stop bankrolling the greedy drug companies, who else will finance them?
Who is taking that stance?