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Fahrenheit 9/11
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Originally posted by it290@Jul 1, 2004 @ 05:31 PM
But why? If man was created in the image of God, why would our concept of time be completely different? Wouldn't it be at least somewhat parallel? And don't you think it's arrogant to create a God that is personified as a human male?
We might be created in His image, but that doesn't mean we have the same knowledge and understandings as Him. I would imagine he is conscience of our timeline, but it's not really a concern.
As for the male personification, yeah I would agree with you, but it's probably just been that way because it's just an easy way for us to envision him. What he actually looks like is probably beyond our imaginations as well.
An actual description of what God looks like is not in the Bible. There are some visions and such in Revelation and other places that say He is like "such and such" but nothing concrete and nothing that says he is like a human male exactly.
Well, there have been many Christian philosophers who have argued that part of mankind's consciousness is at least connected to the divine. It's been one of the main arguments for logic over the years, actually. Kant would be a good example. Spinoza and Liebniz make similar points at times. How do you feel about that concept?
Well, to put it in terms of Kant, you could say that free will is only able to exist on the basis of an eternal soul, and the judgement of that soul. So a person who exercises their will in a moral manner is behaving in a way dictated by and akin to God. That's an extreme oversimplification, but I think you get the point. Spinoza puts it more directly by nearly stating that the consciousness of God is literally inside of every part of the Universe; he was pretty much excommunicated for his statements (not for that alone.. also, he wasn't Christian, but Jewish).
Yes, but also taking it to the next level and saying that deep down inside everyone is the very essence of God, and that this essence is expressed within Man's logical nature- the very part of our nature that deals with time. Some would say that this is what gives Man a soul, and not animals (not that I agree with any of that).
Well I can tell there are a lot of churches that are off base.
That's one thing I'm dreading about moving is finding a new church. There are some good ones, but the process of finding them is a pain. Either they are too legalistic or way too progressive (if that's the correct term).
The one I'm in right now is probably the best I've been to (Been to about 5 since I was a kid).
There's some weird stuff out there too 🙂
That's one thing I'm dreading about moving is finding a new church. There are some good ones, but the process of finding them is a pain. Either they are too legalistic or way too progressive (if that's the correct term).
The one I'm in right now is probably the best I've been to (Been to about 5 since I was a kid).
There's some weird stuff out there too 🙂
In the interests of off-topicness I've got a question for you racketboy. Does the concept that the Bible may contain a number of inaccuracies ever bother you? For example, we know that most of it was not written at the time the events occured. IIRC, some parts were rewritten some several hundered years after to make more sense (like the second comming of Christ, for example). Is it possible that it contains errors?
The Bible itself (I believe) does not contain errors. Translations might possibly have slight errors in them, but not the original writings. Now some people might take a few different verses and say that they contradict or don't make scense or something like that, but usually in those cases, the verses are taken out of context.
It's hard for me to address it completely without having some actual verses to reference.
I am well aware that many books were written well after the events happen. These books were written by everyday people (famous ones, but still) like Moses, Paul, John, etc. Others were written by kings such as David and Solomon. Anyway, even though they were written by men, they were inspired by God (according to normal Christian beliefs). To put it simply, God was there and sees everything and basicially inspired the writers in what to say.
Now I've heard that some people claim that there are some flaws in the Kings James translation and all that and probably in some other translations as well. But you have to remember they are translations.
When studying the Bible seriously, it helps to a commentary or, if you know how look at the original Greek and Hebrew yourself. The good commentaries and such are written by experts the do know Greek and Hebrew and, and have of course studied a lot of the Bible and its history.
And just to let you know, in Chrisitan Colleges, Greek and Hebrew classes are quite common.
It's hard for me to address it completely without having some actual verses to reference.
I am well aware that many books were written well after the events happen. These books were written by everyday people (famous ones, but still) like Moses, Paul, John, etc. Others were written by kings such as David and Solomon. Anyway, even though they were written by men, they were inspired by God (according to normal Christian beliefs). To put it simply, God was there and sees everything and basicially inspired the writers in what to say.
Now I've heard that some people claim that there are some flaws in the Kings James translation and all that and probably in some other translations as well. But you have to remember they are translations.
When studying the Bible seriously, it helps to a commentary or, if you know how look at the original Greek and Hebrew yourself. The good commentaries and such are written by experts the do know Greek and Hebrew and, and have of course studied a lot of the Bible and its history.
And just to let you know, in Chrisitan Colleges, Greek and Hebrew classes are quite common.
I'm not trying to be a troll by asking this, but why do you think god doesn't talk to "ordinary people" anymore like he used to?
If he still does, why don't new works get added to the bible? I know there's the book of Mormon, but not everyone acknowledges that.
How do you know that god (as part of his ineffable plan) didn't plant the idea of evolution into Darwin's* mind? Maybe by then he thought humans could begin to grasp some of his concepts. 😉
* I know he wasn't the first to propose evolution, but I can't remember who was...
If he still does, why don't new works get added to the bible? I know there's the book of Mormon, but not everyone acknowledges that.
How do you know that god (as part of his ineffable plan) didn't plant the idea of evolution into Darwin's* mind? Maybe by then he thought humans could begin to grasp some of his concepts. 😉
* I know he wasn't the first to propose evolution, but I can't remember who was...
No, I'm not a mormon - not that there's anything wrong with that. 😉
I just mentioned the Book of Mormon because that is a modern addition to the bible.
I don't know exactly what I'd say if asked what I "believe in". Maybe if there's ever a thread exploring that question I'd give it a go...
racket - Admittedly I wasn't there, but Darwin's "death bed" renunciation has been refuted.
I just mentioned the Book of Mormon because that is a modern addition to the bible.
I don't know exactly what I'd say if asked what I "believe in". Maybe if there's ever a thread exploring that question I'd give it a go...
racket - Admittedly I wasn't there, but Darwin's "death bed" renunciation has been refuted.
Originally posted by mal@Jul 2, 2004 @ 07:29 AM
racket - Admittedly I wasn't there, but Darwin's "death bed" renunciation has been refuted.
so how do these people know if they weren't there.
Anyway, I guess we'll never really know 🙂
Has anyone else in this conversation read "Inherit the Wind?" Fer crying out loud, it was required reading in my (public) highschool, and reccommended reading in my 7th grade class in a catholic school with a nun for a teacher!!! She wanted us to see the argument that both theories could exist together.
haven't read it.
but what does everybody think of this:
Somebody from my church was telling me that in one of their kids' classes, the teacher assigned everyone to read a certain passage out of the Koran and memorize some of it along with the basic Muslim principles. They also had some lessons on it. It was supposed to be for "awareness" or something about the Muslim faith since people were getting pregidous against Muslims. How is that any different than having the kids read the Bible and memorize verses? Keep in mind this is a public school.
but what does everybody think of this:
Somebody from my church was telling me that in one of their kids' classes, the teacher assigned everyone to read a certain passage out of the Koran and memorize some of it along with the basic Muslim principles. They also had some lessons on it. It was supposed to be for "awareness" or something about the Muslim faith since people were getting pregidous against Muslims. How is that any different than having the kids read the Bible and memorize verses? Keep in mind this is a public school.
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