Suprnova Goes Down :(

Jaded God

Established Member
Well Suprnova is shutting its doors. The once big bittorrent site to find anything at suprnova.org is closed. They say it was due to the tremendous server maintainence all the time.

They will contain to use their IRC group, but we all lost something with this site gone.

Other torrent sites have been disappearing as of recently, also. :(
 

it290

Established Member
No fear. There are still some nice torrent sites up, but it's only a matter of time until someone invents a better/more secure protocol, anyway.
 
Been away from suprnova for a while... always slow, failing half of the time. There are some other nice torrent sources out there.

I liked going there and downloading an oddball book from time to time.
 

Curtis

Established Member
Torrentbits too - now I'm going to have to find somewhere else for my Starge Atlantis eps. :(

I think you're mistaken Link - if torrents are dead, then FTP is festering. Torrents will just find another home and/or private "community" trackers will emerge.
 
Torrents are great, but should the torrent scene ever completely destabilize there's always newsgroups and eMule. Personally, I love eMule. It's slow, but it gets the job done.
 

Curtis

Established Member
Originally posted by Zheræ@Fri, 2004-12-24 @ 09:43 PM

Torrents aren´t dead suprnova was just a depository, there´s other sites where you can´t get them.

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That sentance did not make complete no sense.

:huh
 

it290

Established Member
I think the movie industry just fucked itself- as I said earlier, this is only going to encourage people to develop secure protocols. Go ahead, MPAA- keep lobbying in a continually more frightening fashion - people will work around anything, including acts of Congress. You have to grow with technology, not against it.
 
if the movie industry stoped making so much crap maybe people would be willing to go to more movies. all i know is tons of movies were supposedly the highest grossing movies ever in the last few years and all of them i was able to get off the net did that affect their record proffits? must not have if they're the highest grossing movies(actually i haven't downloaded any of the highest grossing movies). I'll list the movies i've seen recently.

last movie i've seen in the theater-lotr 3(i think but i sort of remember going to see something after that i have no memory anymore)

last movies i've seen because i rented or bought-

eternal sunshine of the spotless mind(rent)

f9/11(rent)

shrek 2(parents bought)

movies i plan on seeing in the near future:

none they all look like they'd be terrible movies

movies i'd download since they look like crap and i woudln't spend money on them:

possibly the movie darkness but i dont think i'd download it because the quality would suck too much(norm bootlegs are dark the movie is a horror movie about darkness so it woudln't really be watchable) but i dont think i'd waste my time.

what was this post about no clue movies suck. at least we dont live in india where they make movies every second and every 1 in a million is descent
 

SkankinMonkey

Established Member
Some people have been working on a decentralized way of making torrents work. It's almost there, but needs some work. I think some people were also looking to make BT anonymous by integrating azereus with antzp2p

I'm sure we'll see something viable one day.
 

ExCyber

Staff member
Sadly, it's not that easy. Removing the need for centralized trackers (which would basically make the protocol no longer BitTorrent in any meaningful way; it would really have more in common with Overnet or Soulseek or something) just moves the bar down from trackers to major seeders, whose IP addresses wouldn't take long to collect. Bram Cohen has said from the beginning that BitTorrent was never intended to be a "safe" protocol for warez or whatever, it was intended to alleviate server load for large legal downloads (Linux ISOs, amateur films and the like), and it's extremely good at that. Freenet has been working on a "safe" network for years, and while the concepts are sound on paper, it relies on emergent behavior to allow knowledge-deniable routing, and the reliability of the network has been spotty at the best of times due to subtle and not-so-subtle emergent flaws in the routing details (GNUNet, Entropy, MUTE, and antz are based on similar concepts, but different implementations; Freenet was the first and AFAIK the largest and has barreled headlong into more bleeding-edge problems with the concept than any other system to the best of my knowledge, which is why I mention it in particular). A lot of P2P folks are just now getting around to looking at problems that Freenet was designed from the beginning to avoid (the stated purpose of Freenet is to avoid rogue or oppressive government agencies, so they didn't wait for the MPAA to start busting heads) but that others considered to be too paranoid / anti-performance. But you can't get real protection without paying a price in performance. Measures like PeerGuardian only stop the most obvious of attacks and would not be difficult to counter for an organization that is serious about attacking a network. If you really want to get a picture of how hard the problem is, I recommend reading the old freenet-tech mailing list archives where various potential attacks were discussed. Truly anonymous/untraceable filesharing is like the cold fusion of P2P - every so often someone claims to have done it, but they seem to invariably run into problems that have been known for years by more experienced researchers.
 

it290

Established Member
Or perhaps we just need a large, centralized service located in a country that truly doesn't give a rat's ass about US IP laws -- like China, perhaps, or maybe some tiny monarchy somewhere. Or maybe, once HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are mature we can just go back to the old reliable technique of mail-trading. ;)
 

ExCyber

Staff member
a country that truly doesn't give a rat's ass about US IP laws

Problem is, the countries that do care will likely just be pressured into severing/filtering the Internet connections at the termination points within their jurisdictions...
 

SkankinMonkey

Established Member
Isn't there this offshore company that is just a huge internet connection with thousands of servers? I remember seeing a report about it once, supposadly they host some shady stuff like porn sites.
 
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