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Pseudo Saturn Kai official thread

Discussion in 'Saturn Dev' started by vbt, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. the Goat

    the Goat New Member

    I had not realized I needed Rmenu setup in order for Pseudo Saturn Kai ODE menu to work. Once I got Rmenu working, Pseudo Saturn Kai's menu worked straight away.

    I suggest implementing a more graceful fail mode when Rmenu is not present. Like I stated in my first post, I was just seeing the UI lock up when the Pseudo Saturn booted. There was no error message displayed. The only way to recover was to delete the Pseudo Saturn save data.

    Thank you.
  2. cafe-alpha

    cafe-alpha Member

    The "more graceful fail mode" is actually already implemented in latest beta (not publicly available, but I shall release it soon), because a friend reported similar problem when no SD card is inserted in Rhea/Phoebe.

    The lengthy technical explanation (that nobody will read) about this problem is that CD-ROM authentication by Rhea/Phoebe was returning "no disc" status, without beforehand checking for presence or absence of CD-ROM on Pseudo Saturn Kai side. CD-ROM library used in Pseudo Saturn Kai doesn't expects such status when authenticating CD-ROM and was consequently infinitely looping thus causing this disgraceful screen.

    For my defense, instructions about Rhea/Phoebe menu setup are detailed in "Rhea/Phoebe ODE support" section in Pseudo Saturn Kai readme.
    Additionally, I rewrote this ODE menu feature from scratch and without begging for any funding, so I'm personally quite proud of the result in Pseudo Saturn Kai v6.274 :)
  3. Fadedrobin

    Fadedrobin New Member

    Hello Segaxtreme. Signed up specifically to get some help on installing pseudo Saturn. I have a knock off arp with a arp firmware on it and am trying to install pseudo Saturn. My problem is that everytime I try to run the installer it gets stuck on erasing! I've tried the alternate installer and the save data installer as well as wiggling it around before starting it.
  4. D3ltax55

    D3ltax55 New Member

    I got a red cartridge with the 3 option switch ontop with Pseudo Saturn Kai Lite V6.274
    In the capability list it says Panzar Dragoon soga plays fine with patch. I patched the .que file and it says it was patched, ripped it and it doesn't boot. As for Panzar dragoon 2 it plays the intro then when it goes to the start menu it goes back to the main menu as stated on the capability list.. i seen a youtube video playing fine with the JHL option. His console was the gray one thou.l
    Is it my console or something else? I have the black model 2 console with the rounded buttons. IDK the exact model as im not home.
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
  5. Ponut

    Ponut New Member

    This video description has a download link for pre-patched ISOs.

    As far as Panzer Dragoon 2 goes, I'm not entirely sure about that one. I lucked out and it just... worked. It could have been my ISO source had them already patched. Not sure.
  6. D3ltax55

    D3ltax55 New Member

    I tried that. put the jhl option and it just goes to the Sega logo then goes black screen for a min then reboots. Tried patching it also and still same issue.
    Maybe the Saturn i got doesn't like it.
  7. Ponut

    Ponut New Member

    Past using a good ISO, I would not assume it's the system. I had thought multiple times that "my saturn doesn't like it" or that it doesn't work with Pseudo Saturn. Many re-burns later, it worked. The only one I haven't gotten to work at all is the US release of MechWarrior 2 ACE.

    I would assume you're dealing with bad burns. Some games are far more tolerant of bad burns and I do remember having to re-burn PD2 once, and I had to re-burn PDS like three times using different CD burners. If you have a legit Saturn original disc that plays a video sequence, that is a good one to test to see if your Saturn's laser is up to par. if it isn't the video or audio will skip. Even the slightest of skips makes many games crash. Magic Knight Rayearth is a particularly good burn-benchmark.
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2019
  8. D3ltax55

    D3ltax55 New Member

    meh i gave up and just bought the jap Panzar dragoon 2. it's only 30 bucks anyways. Ill try my portable blue ray burner made by Samsung. I was using a lg burner i bought recently.
    Using Verbrin cd-r which is made by Mitsubishi. It's has the paper ontop for easy writing.
    In the faq it says that not all models of the saturn support JHL. you think that could be the problem also? it's a version 2 saturn, black
  9. Ponut

    Ponut New Member

    AFAIK there's about 12 or so different revisions of the NTSC Saturn. "Model 1" or "Model 2" is an indication of manufacture date, but not the strongest. Again, AFAIK, but the only issues with JHL are on early Japanese console versions.

    If you have a relatively unused laptop around, try its disc drive.
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  10. hugo19941994

    hugo19941994 New Member

    Hi. I've tried Pseudo Saturn Kai with a Rhea and it works great. I didn't really like having to go through the Action Replay menu every time I booted up my Saturn.

    However I've encountered an issue with my setup. There's a guy in China who sells wireless Sega Saturn controller PCBs and receivers which you can put on the shell of an original controller. They work fine, but for some reason it looks like they eventually lock up the Pseudo Saturn menu.

    I've recorded a short clip of the issue: (around the 0:35 mark)

    With a wired controller I haven't been able to reproduce this issue.
  11. D3ltax55

    D3ltax55 New Member

    is there a list of what versions of Saturn JHL works with. mine is a version 2. i tried copying with 2 different burners.
    I may just exchange it for another since that retro store does it. IDK how to explain that it's not running a game when it works.
    I dought they will let me bring the cart in with a burnt copy of soga to test out.
  12. cafe-alpha

    cafe-alpha Member

    Sorry for the delay ...

    This looks like a "Golden Finger" cartridge, which I know well because of poor connection reports I received so far. If you really want to install Pseudo Saturn Kai on it, then please use the alternate installer (because it is more swap-trick firendly than Save Data Manager), and prepare several hours in trying over and over to tweak cartridge instertion until eventually getting firmware correctly flashed.
    *DISCLAIMER* I don't guarantee that Pseudo Saturn Kai can be installed, and don't guarantee that trying flashing over and over won't brick your cartridge.

    According to the pictures of your cartridge PCB (thank you for uploading theses), it doesn't feature expansion RAM, so you may eventually want to purchase an Action Replay cartridge rather than using this one.

    All the incompatibility reports I received so far concerned grey Japanese Saturns, so your console should support PDS.
    And no, I don't have a full compatibility chart of PDS for each Saturn hardware revision, because I personally don't own a lot of Saturns (and anyway wouldn't have time to test this game on all of theses Saturns), and lacking of extensive feedback from users too. Additionally, rigorously identifying Saturn hardware revision requires to dismantle it until motherboard PCB, which is quite tedious ; serial number helps a lot in first stage identification, but it isn't 100% safe, especially in the case the Saturn was repaired in the past. That's a bit off topic, but if you are curious about all flavours of Saturn hardware revisions, then this excelent homepage is a must see :) SEGA SATURN

    As indicated by @Ponut, please re-try with another dump of the game and also with other CD-R brand or other drive to burn CD-R.

    Thank you for the kind feedback about Rhea/Phoebe image selection menu :) Developing it was a nightmare, and in proportion of that you're around the third user who praised about it so far ...

    Can you please try this wired controller with something other than Pseudo Saturn Kai ? For example a game or Saturn BIOS screen etc.
    If you can reproduce this problem elsewehere than Pseudo Saturn Kai then this needs to be fixed, else that's a problem on controller side, which is not my responsibility.
    In the case Pseudo Saturn Kai needs to be fixed, I would then need your cooperation regarding beta testing = testing several isos, and reporting me behavior with your wireless controller.

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